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Post by jamshundred on May 8, 2018 13:13:43 GMT
A dexter named Gladhour Wendy Ray was registered with Legacy and issued the registration number, LF00052MP-09PH. 52 reflects the genotype case number as do all Legacy registration numbers. The owner than registered Gladhour Wendy Ray with PDCA and the registration number is 300192 [LF00052]The owner than registered Gladhour Wendy Ray with ADCA and the ADCA registration number is P0052.ADCA deceptively informs Dexter owners they will not recognize the Legacy registry, so they require an owner to go to the additonal expense of registering their animal in PDCA first. . . . . . . and then it can be registered in ADCA. Subterfuge and duplicity!    |
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Post by jamshundred on May 20, 2018 14:23:40 GMT
It has become a sport of sorts. ADCA leadership is unprofessional, petty, punitive, and by all means they never consider what it good for the breed. . . . . . just what is good to serve their own visions, ( or lack thereof), and more than anything they are fish. . . . who can never resist the bait. LOL How fast do you think this happened?  |
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Post by cascade on Jun 9, 2018 1:23:25 GMT
Legacy is a basement registry, with no elected board of directors, no written operating procedures etc.. It's not an official registry, so it can't be recognized any more than if I invented a registry in my basement.
But I do love the Legacy historical pedigree database.
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Post by jamshundred on Jun 10, 2018 4:38:32 GMT
Are you an elitist snob or just the average ADCA sycophant who is getting really nervous watching some major LARGE breeders migrate elsewhere? ( And more to go). I am sure they are prostrating themselves to keep those like you drinking the Kool Aid. By the way. . . . . did you hear about the brouhaha in Ohio? Yeah. . . . . ADCA is a real stand-up group with representatives that get in yelling matches with bad language in front of children. Bet that won't appear in the minutes.
This great country was built on the back of hard-working entrepreneurs with dreams. Ray Kroc of McDonald's fame. Sam Walton of Walmart. Do you know that the owner of "My Pillow" began in his "basement", and he hand-sewed each pillow himself. Imagine that. And how can we talk about hard working folks with dreams without Jeff Bezos coming to mind. Talk about basements. ( or garages). Bezos and his wife began their dream, now widely known as Amazon, in their garage. LOL. There is lots to be said for basements and garages.
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Post by cascade on Jun 10, 2018 14:21:47 GMT
Basement registries never have arguments because there is just one life-long dictator running the show in their kingdom of one, but when the basement ruler passes, their basement registry dies with them.
Real registries have lots of people involved in decision-making and they have to hammer-out agreements. I was 13 when I went to my first breed association meeting (not cattle), and I got to see how hard it is to hammer-out agreements. There may have been some swearing, but nothing I hadn't heard before in grade school.
I know how registry splits play out. A bunch of people who can't get along, leave the old registry and go to the new registry with lots of hope and promise, but then those cantankerous folks eventually have to battle through decisions and they start to hate each other and their new registry dies.
I'll stick with ADCA because it will be here 50 years from now... The others won't.
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Post by jamshundred on Jun 10, 2018 18:13:07 GMT
LOL ! ! Neither you nor ADCA know very much about business. ADCA is in business solely because they were the only registry for a period of time. Always with politics and unrest. They threw out the founding family in 1987, tried to appease them with the Talisman award which they didn't want or except and have had nothing to do with ADCA since. Some in power who wanted more control threatened to. . . . . or set law enforcement on two registrar to remove them so they could move forward with their "Takeover" which partisan loyalists like you supported IN THE BLIND. YOU nor any of the other members had a clue every single right you held in the organization would be removed. Yet, like the good little sheeple some of you are. . . . . . . ( and the type of person who in the end facilitates the destruction of associations and society because you are happy you are enfolded in the nest and it isn't you they are coming for), you just bend over.
Tell Jeff Bezos how starting on the ground floor and working upwards doesn't work. Legacy has been such a dominant factor in this breed that both organizations have copied Legacy. Legacy began genotyping. Legacy choose the top laboratory in the US for testing services and provided services less than half what owners had to pay through ADCA or PDCA, and let us not even mention the volume of mistakes found, and those not yet identified from the equine laboratory ADCA choose for their members. ( So they could control it all). Legacy worked with UCD to design direct accounts for owners which had now bled into all breeds, just as the A2 license benefited all cattle owners in the US. Legacy reduced prices and fees, ADCA keeps raising them and offering less to their members. Interesting to note that PDCA is also mirroring Legacy policies.
So. . . . don't try and tell me an individual owner of a private business cannot effect lasting change and grow and mature and expand. Like Bezo's Amazon. . . . . the world offers much opportunity to those with vision. ADCA has never had vision. Just an overwhelming desire to control and dominate. . . . . . and well. . . .. we all know where the Stalin's, Hitlers, and Husseins of the world progess. When the overriding business model is dominance and control. . .. . . . those whose model is service and commitment to their users. . . are those who effect positive change. Legacy has already facilitated much good change in the world of Dexters. . . and will continue to work at it. While you are being used and blather on nonsense. And about people who cannot get along. What a laugh. You clearly are reading the white-washed minutes. Here is your challenge of the month Kirk.
I want you to go to the ADCA records and make a list of every Director who has served in the past 20 years. ( Those who made the really bad decisions don't need to be counted. . . they left the plantation some time ago). Cross off all the names of those who are no longer members of ADCA. The people ADCA chooses as leaders are usually not. True leaders do not focus on power and control. They get the job done. Legacy gets the job done and has set the bar higher by example. Where have all the leaders gone? To other breeds or partial breeds.
I am a betting woman. I bet you ADCA is . . . . NOT. . . . . . here in FIFTY years. The truth of that neither of us will likely see in the time frame from this side of the horizon. But it will likely be much sooner, as ADCA has undermined the breed with such poor leadership decisions and actions. .. . . that the breed itself, (which is primarily outcrossed animals from one single bull), will not survive. People can buy really good outcrossed animals in any sale barn and make as much or more money off them than Dexters and some of the "movers and shakers" are moving into "other" Dexters. ADCA has diligently focused on mitigating the mission. ADCA stands for nothing. . . . and when you stand with them. . . you stand for nothing too. ADCA survives on the backs of those who bought into the lie. .. .. and are trapped. When they get to where they are able to free themselves. . . . it is not Dexters on which they set the sails. You blather on Kirk, because you are one of the trapped who bought into the lie and now are buried beneath it . . . . and you have no recourse. Oh well, at least you have those "pure" sheep of which you brag.
What a mess ADCA has made!
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Post by cascade on Jun 10, 2018 22:39:15 GMT
Like all good non-profit organizations, the ADCA isn't based on individual people, but rather it is based on a set of written standard rules and governances. Those rules meet the standards for good non-profit organizations.
The best organizations regularly rotate persons through officer and director positions. This is smart because it ensures that the organization doesn't become too dependent on any particular individuals. The best organizations should be able to easily survive the loss of any individuals, as they follow written rules and procedures.
In the olden days, the ADCA was run by amatuerish people doing the best they could to just wing it... But that became unacceptable and ADCA was forced to become more professional. Non-profits can no longer just "wing-it".
The best organizations depend on written rules and procedures. Today's ADCA rules and procedures and organization are very sound.
Judy, can you point to any specific written rules in the ADCA that aren't rational? Please provide a direct cut and paste quote of any rules you think are irrational.
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Post by jamshundred on Jun 13, 2018 13:22:33 GMT
"good non-profits". There are far too many non-profits that should be investigated by the authorities.
I see no real difference in ADCA services from old to new and the political internal and external struggles seem not to have resolved. Both Legacy and PDCA are far more professional in theory and in practice, especially in services to their users. Having a meeting devolve into a leadership/member involved yelling match with profane language in front of children is not professional. It seems to me you address an ideal, not a reality.
The problem with an OLIGARCHY Kirk, is that there really are no rules and regulations. They are just a facade. The existing rules and regulations made not a whit of difference when the leadership ignored them (illegally) and revised them to take the power and rights from the members and invest it into the new oligarchy they established with new rules and regulations. How do you reconcile that? And they change the rules and regs to fit their whims as they go and YOU have no say. None. Nada.
The bottom line is still . .. . . . . . ADCA leadership has NOT represented the best interests of this breed or it's members .. . . . and has been the single most detrimental factor for the breed itself. When you have over 90% of the breed bloodlines with NON-FOUNDATION characteristics descending from one bull . . . . and overt actions to see that percentage be 100%. . .. . the organization is fatally flawed. Y
I gave you the first challenge. Answer it. It might begin to open your eyes.
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Post by jamshundred on Jun 15, 2018 13:59:04 GMT
What is so sound about them when they can be changed without your imput or approval? How many lines of the numerous pages of the documents address rules that govern the registy? ( Afterall, Legacy IS a recording authority(registry) and not an organization. What rules do YOU believe should govern a registry Kirk? I DO recall you vigorously opposing new rules regarding the ADCA registry some years ago, the parameters of which Legacy already required for registration. How did that work out for you?
Yes. Not recognizing a registry which not only operated with the same existing rules for registration as ADCA, but had more stringent requirements. That is a petty, uninformed, non-professional decision. Which is typical of ADCA. They are a petty, punitive association. It remains to be seen how PDCA progresses in the future versus ADCA. ADCA thinks they will destroy PDCA by slowly making their registrations not transferable. They may end up backfiring. I have heard that PDCA leadership approached the ADCA leadership representative in OHIO offering an "olive branch" of cooperation and suggesting that all three registries should work together for the good of the breed and it's owners, and that the ADCA leadership representative blew if off. So, Kirk. . . . you really are naive.
Judy
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Post by cascade on Jul 15, 2018 15:17:57 GMT
ADCA is a large organization of American Dexter Cattle breeders. There are thousands of members scattered across North America. You can't expect all those thousands of members to attend every meeting to discuss every issue. So each region elects a representative to go debate and discuss issues to make sound decisions. Every member can give their input to their regional representative.
100% of the time, all my ideas and inputs are respectfully listened-to by my representative.
I don't expect that I'm going to absolutely agree with every decision made, but I usually see why those decisions make sense. For example, I personally would like to see a policy that phases out lethal genenetic disease genes like PHA and Chondrodysplasia. But I can understand why the ADCA hasn't yet done so.
It's a perfectly good rule to not recognize basement "registries" that spring up.
I have my own "registry" on my google-sheets spread-sheet application on my smartphone. I register every calf born on my farm, in my spread-sheet. I don't expect ADCA to recognize my "registry"
Having multiple registries in America is bad for the breed and confusing. In future decades, only the ADCA will exist, because the other small upstart registries will die-off along with their rapidly aging handful of supporters.
We only need one registry in America. I agree with an olive branch that would invite everyone back into the ADCA, which has been around for 61 years. That olive branch has already been offered and continues to be offered.
I'm happy that Legacy exists as a history database (it's very cool) but I don't need it to be a registry.
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Post by jamshundred on Jul 17, 2018 15:51:56 GMT
Kirk, I find you likeable in many ways. . .. . but I cannot abide your intellectual dishonesty. Maybe it is unintended, if so, I will call it naivete.
ADCA is a large organization in decline. You are being intellectually dishonest on purpose when you spread propaganda, as in this post. There are NOT thousands of members and many that were in the numbers were given FREE memberships that were never renewed. I have counted them. They have lost hundreds of members and cattle based on actions and non-action. Most members now, nor in the past, attend meetings, show their cattle, or really even give a damn beyond just wanting to maintain their pedigrees. Polled will eventually fade from the Dexter breed Kirk. Unless the preservation effort continues to grow. . . . the entire Dexter breed will be lost in the US, for polled cattle are not a NICHE as are the rare original horned Dexters, and they have little to offer that cannot be found in other breeds. Whereas, the original, dwarf Dexter has characteristics that NO OTHER breed, including the majority of polled cattle can offer.
Laughing out loud. All my ideas and inputs are respectfully listened-to by my grandkids. Has about the same effect in both venues. ( I.E. your campaign to rid the "breed" of the original Dexter is patently ignored).
Kirk, you are a lemming. You go along to get along. However, you have raised my interest with your "understanding",. . . . so do tell .. . WHY haven't they done so yet? How do you reconcile your position with theirs?
We both know you are being intellectually dishonest by not dealing with the truth of the issue since Legacy is a far better registry from inception to present than ADCA. ADCA cannot get their registry out of the basement of antiquity and EVERY single change that has been made in nearly a decade and a half has been either inspired by Legacy or copied from Legacy. LOL. Good enough to copy. . . . . and desperately compete against. . .. but not to recognize.
More of your intellectual deficient arguments where you use apples against oranges to make a non-point. How many times have you visited the Legacy registry of late to peruse information you cannot find elsewhere? LOL.
I think you have not given that enough thought. It is actually a very good thing for the breed.
Redundant commentary. Olive branch? I've never been offered an olive branch, nor has Legacy. Actually, PDCA went to the current ADCA President quite recently so I've been told, and offered an "olive branch" and was shunned in that endeavor. Your ARE naive Kirk. Furthermore, if ADCA crashed and burned tomorrow, you would be knocking on the door of Legacy or PDCA and grateful for the opportunity.
And PS. . . . .. ADCA, so far. . . . . is the ONLY REGISTRY in America to have failed. TWICE. Think on that one. Beware the third time. . . . . . for that is a charm.
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Post by lonecowhand on Jul 19, 2018 23:13:55 GMT
Its not naivete, its another french word I picked up in Tahiti: "Dumbass."
"basement registry" indeed!
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