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Post by Guest on Oct 1, 2014 23:56:28 GMT
Are we sure that intentionally and selectively ignoring realities and facts as an standard policy is a good approach to anything?
A breed is defined as: Animals that, through selection and breeding, have come to resemble one another and pass those traits uniformly to their offspring.
I do not think that carriers meet this criteria.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Oct 2, 2014 0:24:25 GMT
To "Guest", the same criteria could be applied to the foundation bull for polled, Saltaire Platinum, and many other bulls and cows out there that are heterozygous polled. They will produce horns 50% of the time, so they will not pass traits uniformly to their offspring either. Are they not Dexter (or any other type of breed) then? What you are saying is that the only true Dexters are non-chondro, horned animals out of traditional lines. However, historical photos and herd books say this is not the case, because there were clearly dwarf Dexters.
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Post by Guest on Oct 2, 2014 0:51:36 GMT
Sorry for my misunderstanding.
I was under the impression that this thread was started to indicate that THE dexter breed is a dwarf breed and that therefore is the essential characteristic of the breed. If that is the case than there is no breed as dwarf dexters do not breed true. My subsequent point was that ignoring facts because they are uncomfortable or inconvenient is not a good approach to reality.
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Post by Guest again! on Oct 2, 2014 1:52:09 GMT
To Guest, Regarding Sides, it's more than tall or short, it's more of two differing philosophies:
There are the Traditionalists, you could call them preservationists, who feel they are the stewards of an ancient and endangered breed. They feel that Dexters are perfect just as they are, a Horned Dwarf breed, who don't need any additional features (or any fewer features). They value the horns and the pleasant temperament of dwarfs (or Chondro positive animals). They feel betrayed by their Breed Association for historically allowing a Polled (or genetically hornless) animal into the Registry. They feel damaged by the resulting loss of revenue as the polled animals gained value and decreased demand for the horned animals, and mostly lament the loss of genetics as herds were culled. They love their cows.
There are the Modernists, who feel that the breed should be allowed to adapt and change with the market demand. They feel that horns and the chondro condition are detriments to the breed, or at least to the saleability of their animals. They value the pleasant temperament and safety of their hornless cows. They wish that the problem with the pedigree/registry would go away, if they know about it at all, as it is history. Most Dexter owners fall into this group, since the majority of registered Dexter cows are now polled, and that's what they bought. They perceive the changes to the breed as enhancements. They love their cows.
There is a Deep Pool of Rift between the the two viewpoints, and I have only dabbled at the shore. You will have to decide which of these philosophies to follow. Perhaps others can add their viewpoints for clarity.
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Post by lone cowhand on Oct 2, 2014 2:12:43 GMT
Sorry duplicate written on a different computer, didn't think I could log on from here. First time it looked like i lost it.
Now I see I was wasting time on a "schill"
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Post by Guest on Oct 3, 2014 0:02:12 GMT
If you meant shill, you are mistaken. There is a lot of promoting going on here but not by me. I am trying to determine what is being promoted.
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Post by jamshundred on Oct 3, 2014 13:13:18 GMT
Guests - Please register and get some sort of identity. The members of this forum should not be burdened with having to log-in to read because you fear exposure or owning of your words.
The definition of a breed. Who decides the definition of a breed? Can you list for me any breed that breeds true every single calf? I see small holsteins, large holsteins, holsteins with huge udders and some with smaller ones. . .I see cows that are black/white and I see cows that are red and white and I see cows that are nearly solid black. If there was a breed that truly bred "true" there would not be the constant need for breed "improvement" would there? That is just another line of man-made bull.
Judy
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Post by jamshundred on Oct 3, 2014 13:19:32 GMT
Guest again! Please register and get some sort of identity. The members of this forum should not be burdened with having to log-in each visit simply to read updated threads because you fear exposure or owning of your words.
By the way - I DO wish you would contribute. I found your post very interesting and thoughtfully composed. I cannot respond now - I have other commitments - but hope to do so this evening.
Judy
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Post by genebo on Oct 5, 2014 23:24:48 GMT
The opinions of one who conceals their own identity to express them are valueless.
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