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Post by jamshundred on Jul 8, 2017 12:58:55 GMT
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Post by cascade on Jul 9, 2017 14:57:03 GMT
PDCA registered about 800 Dexters in 2004 PDCA registered about 120 Dexters in 2016
ADCA registered about 1,200 Dexters in 2004 ADCA registered about 1,700 Dexters in 2016
All Dexter people are good people, and I've had tons of friends in the PDCA and I was a member of both PDCA and ADCA in 2004-2007 until it was clear that ADCA would beat out PDCA , but minor breeds like Dexters usually can only support one registry in the long haul, and any start-ups usually fail.
If I was with PDCA right now, I'd also register my animals with ADCA, for the security of my herd.
Best wishes to those in the PDCA, I'm just trying to be helpful and smart about it.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jul 9, 2017 15:29:02 GMT
The boom with the ADCA was mainly led by many new breeders who have bought into the red polled is the hot Dexter to have. You could purchase one and pay a fair bit of money for it, but believed that by the following year you'd have calves (including bull calves) that you could sell for as much if not more every year. But they also believed that you had to have ADCA registered Dexters to be able to sell them easily. Many were registered that should have never made the grade.
Now that the market is mature at best, I don't think people are as inclined to invest a lot of money any longer in the Dexter breed. The rather burdensome testing and genotyping requirements, combined with an annual membership fee and $75 minimum to register and transfer any Dexter that you produce, up front, has thrown a wet blanket over the ADCA registered Dexter. People are starting to look for cost savings. One example is how many breeders are now questioning the value of doing A2 testing. Prices have declined, and only fairly good quality Dexters seem to be selling.
With new leadership, I can see the PDCA eating into the ADCA registrations. Once the impression that he PDCA is a failing registry starts to diminish, you'll see many value oriented breeders moving toward the PDCA, and the momentum will shift. Nothing prevents PDCA breeders from genotyping and keeping their Dexters 100% eligible for entry into the ADCA. However, many breeders may only select their best Dexters for the necessary testing. I have over 100 Dexters. I'm not going to say that I have over 100 Dexters that are worthy of spending hundreds of dollars on testing, registration, transfer, etc...some are lesser quality but not in any way something that should be culled. The PDCA will offer the ability to just do a basic registration on them without all of the expense. As some breeders take advantage of that flexibility, it will draw numbers from the ADCA and bring them to the PDCA.
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Post by jamshundred on Jul 9, 2017 21:38:22 GMT
Well. . . let's hope they are wise and see the value of spending an extra $5.00 and putting them in Legacy. The extended pedigrees and photos are more than worth the cost ! If there are breeders out there who have registered Dexters and are not registering. . . . . . . . I BEG you not to let your Dexters fall out of the registries. Spend the $10.00 for the non-genotyped registration with Legacy, and later on if the market improves the record is there!
Those registration numbers with ADCA are skewed. There has been some increase in numbers. . . . . mostly fueled by FREE memberships and registering of steers which leads to a free membership. The win in this is only the coffers of ADCA. The breed is flooded with culls. I agree with Hans.
I am concerned over the number of Dexters falling off the records. It is disturbing that there are far too many Dexters who should have had calves registered in 2016 or 2017 that do not. I did a very quick browse through records very recently. That includes traditional animals as well. The attrition rate is horrendous, even the people in leadership are rarely in the breed seven years. The associations are NOT doing their jobs. With ADCA the primary focus is self-promotion and fund raising and PDCA has been guilty of doing much of nothing.
Kirk, ADCA is really doing nothing to help owners or the breed. . and that includes you! Not the things that count. The first thing that pops out of the mouths of loyalists is a brag about the youth program. Great. I love kids! But kids become teenagers and going to cow shows isn't much fun anymore. And then they go off to college and careers, and usually if they return to farm life. . .. . . it is once a career is well established and middle age beckons. The numbers of young people staying on or transitioning back to farm life is small for various reasons. . . mostly the economy of rural areas. The kids program isn't about Dexters. . . it's about politics and money. To keep the parents they toss carrots to the kids. No different then our politicians or frankly our school systems who manipulate taxpayers through their children.
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Post by cascade on Jul 9, 2017 22:58:36 GMT
I "register" all my animals into my farm spreadsheet the minute they are born. So every animal on my farm is "registered" free of charge.... I can input all your animals in my spreadsheet for a mere $2 per animal.... cheapest registration on the planet.
But registration is only worth something if it is universally recognized.
ADCA registrations are universally recognized by the Dexter world. Other US registrations, including my spreadsheet, aren't always universally recognized.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jul 10, 2017 1:38:20 GMT
I agree that Legacy is the perfect fit, especially the $10 non-genotype registration option.
However, times change and the reality is that the largest association is the internet now. The pedigree registration is the cash cow for the ADCA, and only a very small percentage of breeders attend the AGM or other utilize other functions of the association. Frankly more people would be better served by having regional groups like the OVDBA, or MDBA. And then a national database that all of the regional associations utilize. I would be much more willing to participate in a regional association than the ADCA.
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Post by jamshundred on Jul 10, 2017 1:41:47 GMT
That is a tiresome mantra. Name me any registry other than ADCA who will not recognize Legacy registrations? Other than ADCA, who violates anti-trust laws in the US by discouraging competition, I do not know a single registry that registers an animal based on registry. The rules for registration are based on pedigree.
Judy
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Post by otf on Jul 10, 2017 13:09:54 GMT
A few rambling thoughts, in no particular order...
I have often thought that the reason behind the regional organizations (Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio...any others?) was because the national ones weren't doing their job in one way or another and people wanted to run things their own way to meet the needs of those in their areas. And back when Ohio was planning to have their first show and was getting stonewalled by ADCA, I knew there was a problem. As I mentioned to Judy recently, I and a few others joked about starting a group and calling it the Mid-Atlantic Dexters (MAD!!!) I think the idea of organizing a sale in this region is not a bad one, where folks could bring their animals for sale, not necessarily halter-trained, including beef steers, culls, registered/unregistered, etc. It could be done but would require a lot of work and energy and time, which I just don't have at present.
The emphasis on showing and the inflated prices on some of these animals -- look at the low auction turnout at the recent AGM! The last time I looked at the list and photos of animals to be auctioned, it seemed close to 50 as I recall. Yet the actual sale list on the ADCA website shows just 25 sold, 7 scratched or price not met. And what happened to all the others? Sold in the parking lot? The parking lot??? In my opinion, that's no way to run an auction.
While I think it's great that kids are participating in Dexters, etc., the big push for a youth director and focusing so much on show classes for kids strikes me as odd. At one point I believe the ADCA show was even considering cross-entering, kids showing in adult classes or something. I may have my facts screwed up on that one.
Regarding numbers, my belief is that when the split occurred, numbers got exaggerated; the ALBC may have considered both PDCA and ADCA numbers and perhaps that led to Dexters being removed from "endangered" or whatever the category was. But now, considering all the Dexters that are NOT being registered, and the abhorrent (in my mind) amount of cross-breeding to achieve more milk or more beef, or an oddball color, who knows what will happen? I have stated publicly on Facebook and elsewhere that it's a huge disappointment when you sell an animal that you've invested in and it becomes a "dead-end." No calves of that animal are ever registered. That's a tremendous insult to the breeder and a loss to the breed.
At one point not too many years ago, there was a glimmer of hope that ADCA and PDCA might be able to "kiss and make up," to the point where I actually was writing down things to be considered, strong points, how to overcome the egos that required their own zip codes, etc. I believed then that each group had knowledgeable, capable people that were going to waste because of bias and personal agendas. It was not to be. I don't see how a minor breed, with a dwindling market, can overcome the issues it now faces.
I have only one heifer to sell and several other Dexters who will become beef. I won't be calving anymore and won't be registering anymore. With all that's going on recently with the national associations, I truly believe that it is Legacy that will preserve the breed in a valuable way, and it is my hope that others will come to recognize that.
Gale
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Post by cascade on Jul 10, 2017 15:32:50 GMT
It's easy to sit back and complain and say "I'm too busy to lift a finger to help".
It seems most you folks want an association to do lots of things for you, but you aren't willing to volunteer to do some of that work required to make all those good things happen.
ADCA and PDCA people have already "Kissed and made up"... The ADCA opened their arms and welcomed PDCA people to come back in, and they have come back to the ADCA in large numbers.
Most key PDCA supporters from a decade ago have switched back to the ADCA.
It's July 2017 and some folks have started registering some of their 2017 calves. Go online and look at registrations.
PDCA = only 1 calf registered so far ADCA = 250 calves registered so far
You can verify these numbers yourself in the online systems.
Dexters fill a niche that no other breed of cattle can... Dexters are compact and friendly and safe and trouble-free, providing the best quality beef and dairy of any breed.
The market for compact, safe, easy, Dexters with tender beef and high quality dairy is just getting started.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jul 10, 2017 17:47:34 GMT
It's easy to sit back and complain and say "I'm too busy to lift a finger to help". It seems most you folks want an association to do lots of things for you, but you aren't willing to volunteer to do some of that work required to make all those good things happen. ADCA and PDCA people have already "Kissed and made up"... The ADCA opened their arms and welcomed PDCA people to come back in, and they have come back to the ADCA in large numbers. Most key PDCA supporters from a decade ago have switched back to the ADCA. It's July 2017 and some folks have started registering some of their 2017 calves. Go online and look at registrations. PDCA = only 1 calf registered so far ADCA = 250 calves registered so far You can verify these numbers yourself in the online systems. Dexters fill a niche that no other breed of cattle can... Dexters are compact and friendly and safe and trouble-free, providing the best quality beef and dairy of any breed. The market for compact, safe, easy, Dexters with tender beef and high quality dairy is just getting started. Kirk, you're conflating an association with a registry. They don't have to be one in the same. The Canadian CLRC handles the registrations of Dexters in Canada, but you don't have to be a member of the Canadian Dexter Cattle Association in order to register your Dexter. I believe that could be the solution here in the U.S as well. That would leave the owner/breeder free to choose the association that best represents their interests, while permitting the proper registration of all Dexters that were out of pedigreed Dexter ancestors. The problem is that the ADCA is not responsive to the desire of many of it's members, such as myself. I am not interested in attending a show in Kansas every year, dragging my Dexters halfway across the country in the process. Most members are not interested or possibly financially able to do this, so I'm far from alone. Why send in member dues to an association that I'll never participate in, when I could use those funds to support a smaller more regional association where I would actually participate in? I'm chatting with you, and you're all the way in Oregon, which is why I say the largest association is now the internet. Nobody says that I have to be in the "Michigan" or "Midwest" association either...if I find an association that is more closely aligned with my goals in breeding who is to stop me from being a member there? For example I identify a lot more with the breeding preferences and goals of many of the Region 11 members than I do with the Region 10 members in the ADCA. But geographically I'm assigned to Region 10. It's hard to have any desire to engage when you don't really have a lot in common with the association that you're a member of, and don't feel as though your input would be welcomed. The "one size fits all" approach just doesn't work like it used to when it's so easy to have other options.
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Post by cascade on Jul 10, 2017 18:17:49 GMT
I do love the Canadian model of purebred livestock management. My Icelandic Sheep are registered via CLRC.
In Canada, they recognize the value of purebred livestock as a national resource, and they don't allow fly-by-night registries to pop up every time someone feels disgruntled. Fly-by-night registries are very harmful to breeds and that's why Canada doesn't allow them.
The best we can do in the US, is to create and maintain one single registry per breed. That's best for the breed and for all owners.
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Post by otf on Jul 10, 2017 18:43:52 GMT
It's easy to sit back and complain and say "I'm too busy to lift a finger to help". It seems most you folks want an association to do lots of things for you, but you aren't willing to volunteer to do some of that work required to make all those good things happen. ADCA and PDCA people have already "Kissed and made up"... The ADCA opened their arms and welcomed PDCA people to come back in, and they have come back to the ADCA in large numbers. Most key PDCA supporters from a decade ago have switched back to the ADCA. It's July 2017 and some folks have started registering some of their 2017 calves. Go online and look at registrations. PDCA = only 1 calf registered so far ADCA = 250 calves registered so far You can verify these numbers yourself in the online systems. Dexters fill a niche that no other breed of cattle can... Dexters are compact and friendly and safe and trouble-free, providing the best quality beef and dairy of any breed. The market for compact, safe, easy, Dexters with tender beef and high quality dairy is just getting started. Kirk, were you directing your post to me? FYI, for a number of years I was the primary VOLUNTEER handling the shirts, sweats, hats, etc., including ordering, storing, and shipping orders to members who wanted something. When my husband was a director, who do you think was his backup? When he was at work and calls came in asking questions about this or that, who do you think answered them (no, I didn't just take a name and call-back number...I answered their questions!)? Who put together the regional meeting, including paperwork, food, etc? Moi, that's who! So do not tell me to go out there and volunteer! Instead, why don't you tell us all about your volunteer work with the registry? I have no way of knowing who from PDCA is now in ADCA, nor do I have the inclination to research this. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a $$$$ (fill in the blank!). What I wrote is based on my experience with our cattle in central Virginia and with much of the schlock I read on the Internet. And, yes, our cattle have a herd health program....and, yes, they are dewormed....and yes, they have fly protection...and, yes, they rotate between pastures. I refuse to apologize for any of that! Unlike yours that require no shots, no dewormers, no calving assistance, virtually nothing! Sounds to me like you have a herd of stuffed animals! I ask nothing of the ADCA except to process the occasional registration and, even then, I provide them with all the necessary and correct paperwork that is required to make the registrar's job easy. So, if your post is responding to my previous post, I tell you here and now, GO POUND SAND! If your post is not responding to mine, then I'll say you're a broken record and I'm sick of reading the same old thing in your replies, no matter whose post you're responding to. They're repetitive and boring.
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Post by cascade on Jul 11, 2017 0:30:25 GMT
OTF:
Thanks for all your past hard work.. much appreciated.
Concerning modern management of livestock... The problem with those modern methods is that it converts old heritage breeds into modern breeds.
On our farm, we have old-time traditional breeds that don't need much modern chemicals, etc.. We cull animals that can't thrive on an old-time farm.
Our heritage pigs, heritage sheep, heritage chickens, and heritage Dexter cows thrive with no chemicals.. but certainly,pasture rotation is a very important part of keeping animals healthy without chemicals.
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Post by bruff64 on Jul 11, 2017 9:40:27 GMT
Cascade: "The best we can do in the US, is to create and maintain one single registry per breed. That's best for the breed and for all owners."
Your correct. And that registry is Legacy. Legacy is all encompassing, the only registry in the US that captures all Dexters. ADCA only captures Dexters that meet "their" requirements. There are some exceptional purebred Dexter herds in the US that ADCA has lost by their own exclusions. Legacy on the other hand has Dexters registered that are also registered in ADCA, PDCA, CLRC and others outside of North America. Legacy is the only impartial Registry that meets the needs of the breed instead of an Association and the Politics that accompany it. The choice is clear. If you want to preserve Dexter pedigrees for the future, all purebred Dexter pedigrees, then you should be registering with Legacy. Including the modern polled dexter.
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Post by cascade on Jul 11, 2017 14:29:18 GMT
Wait, I've got a spread-sheet called "Better-Than-Legacy".
I can put all Dexters in my Better-Than-Legacy Dexter spreadsheet and I'll only charge $2 per Dexter.
I'll even track your non-Dexters and unregisterable Dexters.... So I'm even MORE inclusive than the "old-plain-Legacy", and I'm much cheaper too.
I guess I can complain when other registries won't recognize my spreadsheet as a valid registry.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jul 11, 2017 18:04:57 GMT
Cascade: "The best we can do in the US, is to create and maintain one single registry per breed. That's best for the breed and for all owners." Your correct. And that registry is Legacy. Legacy is all encompassing, the only registry in the US that captures all Dexters. ADCA only captures Dexters that meet "their" requirements. There are some exceptional purebred Dexter herds in the US that ADCA has lost by their own exclusions. Legacy on the other hand has Dexters registered that are also registered in ADCA, PDCA, CLRC and others outside of North America. Legacy is the only impartial Registry that meets the needs of the breed instead of an Association and the Politics that accompany it. The choice is clear. If you want to preserve Dexter pedigrees for the future, all purebred Dexter pedigrees, then you should be registering with Legacy. Including the modern polled dexter. That is exactly correct. I have a stunning Dexter bull named Walnut Lawn Shadwell. The breeder of Shadwell has an excellent eye for cattle, and he is not at all shy about culling anything that doesn't measure up. He uses rotational grazing, practices very natural and non-interventionist management of his herd, just as Cascade thinks it should be done. Shadwell wasn't registered when I purchased him, but he was 5 years old. The rules at that time at the ADCA allowed me to register Shadwell. The rules of the ADCA today would not allow me to register him, even though both parents are registered in the ADCA. I suspect that there is an ever increasing number of Dexters as Bruff has pointed out that are going to be lost over the long term. More than likely they will be the small breeders of traditional Dexters who have been at it for many years, who have grown weary of the ever increasing requirements and expense that has been imposed mainly to prop up the legitimacy of the breeders of Dexters that more resemble the Angus breed.
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Post by teatpuller11 on Jul 12, 2017 0:45:44 GMT
Isn't there a provision that as long as DNA supports the pedigree older animals can be registered? I'd guess you'd have to go through the Pedigree Comm.
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Post by cascade on Jul 12, 2017 4:21:14 GMT
I heard that Shadwell's sire was a zebu.
But lots of myths and rumors go around about animals having parentage errors. In fact, most people on this board, have at times spread myths and misinformation about parentage of certain animals.
I find it odd that many people on this board claim certain animals in the past shouldn't have been allowed to be registered without parentage-verification.... Yet now those same people want to register their own questionable animals without parentage-verification.
Seems hypocritical.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jul 12, 2017 9:12:49 GMT
Whatever, Cascade...I guess I could agree with you if Shadwell had a big hump like a Zebu, the breeder also raised Zebus or had a Zebu herd in the area instead of one possible sire in a 6 Dexter herd. Much like how a minor breed that had been considered horned for well over a century suddenly produced a polled calf, conveniently about the same time that there was a prominent breeder that believed that the Dexter breed would be more popular if only they were polled.
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Post by cascade on Jul 13, 2017 0:49:27 GMT
Many Zebu crosses don't have humps and it's reported that the humps disappear in a single generation, and bulls do wander, so it's possible Shadwell is part mini Zebu... without parentage verification we'll never know for sure.
The polled gene is just a simple genetic switch that turns off horn growth. That switch gets flipped to "off" from time to time in all horned breeds.
It's very likely that the polled gene has popped up occasionally throughout Dexters over the decades since the breed was invented in the late 1800's.
Since the registries didn't track the horn status of Dexters until the 1980's or later, for the 98% of Dexters without photos, we don't know if they had horns or not.
Dexters were converted to a mostly hornless breed in the 1950's and 1960's by folks removing horns. It was the folks who were dehorning Dexters that drove the demand for naturally hornless Dexters.
Given the fact that Dexters are supposed to be a small, simple, friendly, safe breed, it makes sense that the majority of folks would prefer naturally hornless Dexters. That's why the Old Orchard herd and many others went hornless.
But back to parentage-verification, I became a staunch supporter of verification because I grew tired of people here doubting the parentage of certain animals. The only way to remove the doubt going forward, is to require verification of ALL Dexters.
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Post by jamshundred on Jul 13, 2017 2:01:44 GMT
I was the first person in the US Dexter breed to genotype and parentage confirm my entire herd. I began that process in mid 2004, as soon as I realized that members of ADCA are like an opposition politcal party. . . . . they play dirty, and since I had opposed the "takeover", I realized the jeopardy of innuendo and lies and I decided to outsmart them one and all. YOU. . . Kirk. . . . .prove my instincts are rarely wrong.
One other thing. . . . . .the bulls jumping fences is old and trite, because the mantra ALWAYS has them jumping over. . . . . but we never hear about the jump back. It is a bunch of bull. ANY. . . . BULL . .. . of ANY BREED. . . . that dared to come on my farm, would raise such a ruckous. .. he would never be there unknown. I doubt there has ever been a stray bull on someone's farm that they didn't know it. It is just another innuendo tool. There are so many persons in this breed who are dirty operatives!
Well, speaking of dirty. . . .. . Kirk. . . . . why did ADCA force Susan Barron to resign from her position as Director? Were you in agreement with that move?
Judy
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Post by teatpuller11 on Jul 13, 2017 5:27:07 GMT
Hello Judy.
Would you please clear up something for me? Are you saying that Han's bull Shadwell can't be half zebu because if a different bull had come onto the property there would have been a fight or noise or something, and the owner would have known? And that once the bull was there, he wouldn't have left voluntarily, so the owner would have known? Or if the dam was in heat she wouldn't have gone wandering, and if she did she would have come back on her own before being missed?
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jul 13, 2017 10:23:47 GMT
But back to parentage-verification, I became a staunch supporter of verification because I grew tired of people here doubting the parentage of certain animals. The only way to remove the doubt going forward, is to require verification of ALL Dexters. REMOVE the doubt? You rely way to heavily on integrity. Where is the chain of custody of the samples that are sent in for the verification? Does the test lab come out to pull the tail hairs of not just the calf but both parents as well, verifying the tattoos in the ears or other identification? You've seen the photos of my little dwarf Highlands? Under the current ADCA rules regarding genotypes and parent verification, I could register every single one of them as Dexters. I could not only sire qualify them, but I could parent verify them all as Dexters if I chose to. Chew on that for a little bit...
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Post by teatpuller11 on Jul 13, 2017 13:54:58 GMT
Lakeport, doesn't it always come down to integrity? Where's the proof that you or Judy or anyone else is sending in the right sample? Without an independent source, such as happens with AI and the tech provides the breeding report, seeing the cow, seeing the straw, then ALL parentage verification is suspect and no more valid than wishful thinking.
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Post by otf on Jul 13, 2017 15:35:51 GMT
teatpuller11, do you care to identify yourself?
I think all breed registries rely on the honesty and integrity of their members. Perhaps there are scumbags that lie, cheat, and weasel their way into something, but that seems to have taken hold of our entire society across the board over the last decade or so. Perhaps I'm naive, but it has never crossed my mind to try and pull a fast one in this arena or any other, for that matter. Once I pulled tail hair on five calves after running them through the chute. When I got back to the house and started the paperwork to send the samples to the lab, I realized I had confused one of the samples. Did I say "screw it" and send it in? No, I went and got the calves in once again (oh, they surely were not happy about that) and pulled all five samples again. Nowadays, I realize I'm most likely in the minority when it comes to honest behavior.
I regret to say that some of the schlock on this thread is bordering on the absurd.
Gale Seddon (otf)
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Post by cascade on Jul 13, 2017 18:10:56 GMT
Parentage-verification is meant to catch most honest errors and sneaker bulls.
I've seen lots of reports where excellent cattle managers have reported that parentage-verification helped them discover that nearby bulls snuck into their cows, bred a cow or two, and then snuck back out.
Parentage-verification alone can catch honest mistakes but can't stop complex fraud schemes, but the courts and prison can help dissuade that criminal behavior... But all Dexter people are good people and there is no reasonable motivation to commit fraud. All standard Dexter traits can be easily found in readily available verified purebred Dexter Bulls. There is zero reason to commit fraud to bring in unqualified bulls.
Concerning farms that have had multiple breeds of cattle (Highlands and Dexters) perhaps we should propose that those farms be required to submit breed purity DNA tests, in addition to parentage-verification. I don't understand why anyone would want anything but Dexters, since they are a perfect breed.
Highlands have nothing that I can't get from purebred Dexters.
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Post by cascade on Jul 13, 2017 18:26:30 GMT
Once I pulled tail hair on five calves after running them through the chute. When I got back to the house and started the paperwork to send the samples to the lab, I realized I had confused one of the samples. Did I say "screw it" and send it in? No, I went and got the calves in once again (oh, they surely were not happy about that) and pulled all five samples again. I worry about messing up samples all the time, but if you had accidentally swapped a sample and not gone back out and re-pulled hairs, the parentage-verification process would have eventually found your error. If calf A and calf B samples were accidentally swapped, then they wouldn't match their parents, and later, when Calf A and Calf B have their own calves, their own calves wouldn't match the parents. By the way, parentage verification saves me tons of money. If both verified parents are homozygous-polled, and homozygous A2, and non-chondro, and non-dun, and non-pha, then I don't have to test for any of those things.
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Post by karenp on Jul 14, 2017 0:47:38 GMT
Lakeport, doesn't it always come down to integrity? Where's the proof that you or Judy or anyone else is sending in the right sample? Without an independent source, such as happens with AI and the tech provides the breeding report, seeing the cow, seeing the straw, then ALL parentage verification is suspect and no more valid than wishful thinking. Still not perfect, straws have bee miss labeled or accidentally switched.
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Post by cascade on Jul 14, 2017 23:27:58 GMT
Still not perfect, straws have bee miss labeled or accidentally switched. Parentage verification catches mislabeled straws and accidental switching of semen straws. When someone registers a young bull, they are required to genotype that bull... years later, when they decide to collect semen from that bull, the genotype information is provided to buyers of the straws of semen. When calves are born and parentage verified, they should match the genotype associated with the straw, or there is a problem.
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Post by karenp on Jul 15, 2017 10:22:47 GMT
Still not perfect, straws have bee miss labeled or accidentally switched. Parentage verification catches mislabeled straws and accidental switching of semen straws. When someone registers a young bull, they are required to genotype that bull... years later, when they decide to collect semen from that bull, the genotype information is provided to buyers of the straws of semen. When calves are born and parentage verified, they should match the genotype associated with the straw, or there is a problem. Of course, just pointing out that fence jumping bulls weren't the only cause for confusion.
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