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Post by jamshundred on Aug 13, 2017 19:26:16 GMT
This references testing of semen from 10 early bulls in the UK. The proportion of Genotype membership (q value) of the Dexter breed was calculated. 8 of the 9 bulls had results which were.09 Another bull was 0.885 ( Melbry Duster 2024), and the 10 bull was Shadwell Robert. It is my understanding from this and other things I've read that Shadwell Robert was believed to be outcrossed, more so when the evaluation protocol outlined in Dr. Philip Sponenberg's book, which has a three point base, (and highly touted by some Dexter members of leadership), was implemented. Quoted from the book:
The only animals in the US that would be affected by this report would be imports after 1987, and primarily the descendants of Cornahir Outlaw.
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Post by cascade on Aug 13, 2017 22:17:32 GMT
The old bulls you are talking about are long-dead ancestors of today's Dexters.
100% of today's Dexters have lots of long-dead non-Dexters in their backgrounds. There's no such thing as an "absolutely pure" Dexter.
By continually selecting toward a breed standard, over time, animals become purebred over several generations.
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Post by jamshundred on Aug 14, 2017 12:28:15 GMT
I do NOT know of an owner of any pedigree livestock or other species who would tolerate the level of deceit that has been visited on the Dexter owners. I believe, in the case of Saltaire Platinum, if the records are not corrected to show the truth, which is known and verified, there is a basis under the law for damages to folks who have been either emotionally or financially harmed by purposeful deceit of ADCA. Even to this day.
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Post by cascade on Aug 14, 2017 22:11:28 GMT
Pedigree records are based on the best information available at time of registration. Nobody claims perfect records, just the best available information at the time of registration.
ADCA simply accepted the pedigree records from the UK Registry. Nobody challenged those records for 15+ years.
That's not deceit, that's just standard practice in most professional registries. Those professional registries record the information that's available, and then move on. If someone wants to challenge the information, they have a limited window of time to challenge it.
Judy, please provide us with a copy of the earliest letter you sent, challenging the information.
Meanwhile, Saltaire Platinum is the only DNA verified purebred Dexter bull on record.
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Post by jamshundred on Aug 15, 2017 0:05:44 GMT
There HAS been deceit. Furthermore, There was an attempt to silence ME! And in the legal documents one member of leadership was so careless as to complain I was hurting sales (by telling the truth). I would certainly be willing to testify for anyone who felt they were damaged. There is ample evidence that there has been a concerted effort to hide the truth from American owners regarding the SP pedigree. There appears to be no shortage of lawyers willing to file lawsuits, especially class action, if pockets can be find that are deep enough, and saying "oh dear, we are not responsible because we didn't know better does not save you when you DO know better and keep permitting unsuspecting people to invest in animals whose pedigrees are knowingly NOT what is being published.
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Post by cascade on Aug 16, 2017 14:48:18 GMT
Every Dexter pedigree including your so-called "Traditional" and "Legacy" pedigrees, are full of old holes and errors.
No professional registries claim that their pedigrees are perfect, they just claim that pedigrees contain the best information made available to them at the time of registration.
Educated animal breeders understand that old pedigrees contain some errors, especially since parentage verification wasn't easily accessible for the entire past 140 years of breed history.
The only false claim I've heard is when so-called Legacy people claim their animals have no outside genetics. How can Legacy people make such a false claim without having a 100% parentage verified pedigree back to Dublin Herdbook #1.
No Dexter has a perfect pedigree, but pedigrees are still a very useful tool, despite their flaws.
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Post by karenp on Aug 16, 2017 17:47:05 GMT
I'm sure there were more than a few foxes in the hen house in Dexter pedigrees, their effect is diluted over time if animals are properly culled. The glaring exception to this is SP. I'm sorry, short of a time machine, I'm not going to be convince there was a magic mutation.
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Post by jamshundred on Aug 16, 2017 21:48:38 GMT
The problem with Platinum is that not only did he not qualify to be registered, nor his sire. . .. . . the decision by leadership of this breed permitted an entire RARE, minor breed to be altered. Perhaps not so much in the UK, but the leadership in America permitted the foundation bloodlines to be all but eradicated.
It does not help that the English have yet to correct the pedigree so that it is accurate, but I believe they will do that. It is the only correct thing to do, because anyone old or new to Dexters has a right to be fully and accurately informed and to make their choices based on accurate information when the existing information has been shown to be in error. In several instances.
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Post by lonecowhand on Aug 16, 2017 22:03:48 GMT
Educated breeders also know that in order for an animal to be purebred, the animal must first be a member of the breed!
ADCA did not "simply accept pedigree records" on SP, they were coerced, threatened with personal lawsuits if they did not capitulate.(according to directors at the time)
They Knew.
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