Historical Bull Guess

[jamshundred]

In the historical Grinstead videos from British Pathe, you will see this bull being led by his nose.  WHO is he?  Is he SPARR NERO 1428, or OXLEY TIM 1447?
There is an outside chance he could be Castle Morton Fann 1456 but it is so doubtful to not be considered because of the size of the horns.

This is a film from 1949.   In the 1949 herd book there are only three bulls mentioned with this herd.  In the listings of calves born, all three sired calves.  Castle Morton Fann only had two calves registered with DCS, both were Grinstead.  I don't think she liked this bull, huh?  He is shown as the sire of two calves born early in the year, but he does not appear in her listing at the end of the year.   Nah.  The picture isn't him.






Back to Sparr Nero.   His birthdate is 12/13.1945.    If the video was in the spring he would be a full four years old... . nearly five it it was fall.
Oxley Tim   His birthdate is 5/9/1946.   Spring Video would have him about 3 years old. . .  .fall just months older.

Now look at the maturity of the horns. . . . . Which bull do you think is shown in the video?


Judy

[Donlin Stud]

Is it me or has the tips been taken off those lovely horns?

Going to watch the video again............

[Deleted]

yes they have been tipped.

Only a 6 month difference in the bulls. Hard to say which one it was. Did they use one more than the other at that time? Likely they would have filmed the one they liked the best at that time.

 

[jamshundred]

Mike,

The English believe the photo was taken "high summer".   I don't know what the seasons are like in England.  I hear it rains a lot. . . . and I see lots of pretty green grass in all their photos.   If that photo was taken in the summer than I really do think it was Sparr Nero.

Hans, and others who have joined in the guessing game on the bull in the Grinstead video. . . . . . . . Most of us think it was Sparr Nero versus Oxley Tim. It appears that Oxley Tim was exported for breeding in Germany. I believe he went to the de Rothchild herd back in the late 40's or early 50's. I wonder if those German lines still exist?


Another interesting tidbit regarding the Bedford herd which imported the bull Grinstead Ambassador.  Bedford  owned a number of imported Dexters from exceptional herds in the UK that were never registered in the US herd books nor were descendents.   I wonder.   If one looks at the record of registrations in the Bedford herd. . . . . . it is obvious there is a story waiting to be discovered.



Judy