Post by jamshundred on Mar 15, 2015 16:16:15 GMT
England, Australia, and New Zealand all have/had approved active grading up programs for their Dexter cattle. After the proscribed number of generations a graded-up animal is eligible for registration. In England, the animals that have been "graded-up" and brought to America via ADCA approval included Jersey and Angus, and then several upgrades of unknown breeds and unknown colors. According to ADCA rules and regulations ANY animal from these registries that have reached "puredbred" status can be imported to the US. We have recently had at least three new arrivals to the semen banks.
Here is the upgrade premise.
Take an animal of ANY breed ( thus any color) . . . . . . and breed to a Dexter bull. (A) Breed the calf back to a Dexter bull,(B) breed that calf back to a Dexter bull, (C) the next calf is "purebred".
We have descendent animals in America at this time from the upgrade program. We also have descendent animals in America that were upgraded but not part of an upgrading program, and then we have the descendent animals of Saltaire Platinum who was NOT even a purebred animal. He was. . . . .. at best. . . . . .7/8 grade.
How many of these descendent animals do not comply with the foundation herdbook standards of : (1) Horned (2) Black (3) red (4) less than 900 lbs?
Well, . . . . .more than a few as a matter of fact. Let's address it just from the US animals as ADCA as registering authority.
ADCA has permitted DUN cattle into the registry. This was not a color accepted by the founders. It was not recognized by registering authorities in England until just around 1970's.
ADCA has permitted POLLED cattle into the registry. Dexter cattle were designated as HORNED cattle and POLLED were not accepted in England until the 1990's, same by ADCA.
ADCA permits cattle to be registered with significant white markings in any location on the body, and also permit the animals to be entered into ADCA sanctioned shows.
These have all been decisions made by leadership in the breed followed by changes to rules and regulations in the breed.
THESE CHANGES ARE ALL CONSIDERED. . .. . .. . under the LAW. . . . . .as setting legal precedent. No interested parties legally challenged the changes.
In the interests of discussion let's return to a post on the FB thread regarding White Dexters.
Ms. Adams makes the case that White Dexters were bred up EXACTLY the way ALL other graded Dexters have been which have in the past been approved by Dexter leadership in all countries. However, Ms. Adams makes a disticntion that the White Dexter is a "new" breed and would NOT be eligible for registration as a Dexter. WHY NOT? The upgrading program, by her own keyboard, is IDENTICAL to the process which resulted in a number of descendents in the US herd. The ONLY difference is the COLOR of the animal . . . and that precedent was set with dun! !
Let's just talk in terms of ADCA and the law.
*IF* , in the case of the "White" Dexters, the SAME grading-up program has been followed as Ms. Adams clearly states in the above copy, there is a pedigree record which can be validated as accurate. . .. whomever the registering authority might be. . . . . . then by what legal determination would ADCA ever possibly win a legal challenge to refuse it?
I suspect if there is a " White Dexter" owner out there who wants to register his Dexters and is willing to sue ADCA to do so. . . . . . we will soon have white Dexters as well. I don't see anything that could stop them based on legal precedents already established in the breed.
Interesting, huh?
Judy
Here is the upgrade premise.
Take an animal of ANY breed ( thus any color) . . . . . . and breed to a Dexter bull. (A) Breed the calf back to a Dexter bull,(B) breed that calf back to a Dexter bull, (C) the next calf is "purebred".
We have descendent animals in America at this time from the upgrade program. We also have descendent animals in America that were upgraded but not part of an upgrading program, and then we have the descendent animals of Saltaire Platinum who was NOT even a purebred animal. He was. . . . .. at best. . . . . .7/8 grade.
How many of these descendent animals do not comply with the foundation herdbook standards of : (1) Horned (2) Black (3) red (4) less than 900 lbs?
Well, . . . . .more than a few as a matter of fact. Let's address it just from the US animals as ADCA as registering authority.
ADCA has permitted DUN cattle into the registry. This was not a color accepted by the founders. It was not recognized by registering authorities in England until just around 1970's.
ADCA has permitted POLLED cattle into the registry. Dexter cattle were designated as HORNED cattle and POLLED were not accepted in England until the 1990's, same by ADCA.
ADCA permits cattle to be registered with significant white markings in any location on the body, and also permit the animals to be entered into ADCA sanctioned shows.
These have all been decisions made by leadership in the breed followed by changes to rules and regulations in the breed.
THESE CHANGES ARE ALL CONSIDERED. . .. . .. . under the LAW. . . . . .as setting legal precedent. No interested parties legally challenged the changes.
In the interests of discussion let's return to a post on the FB thread regarding White Dexters.
Patti Adams > The White Dexter is actually a new breed, created through an upgrading process utilizing purebred Dexter cattle. The original cross was purebred White Park to purebred Dexter (so the resulting foundation animals were 50% White Park and 50% Dexter), and then subsequent generations were bred to purebred Dexter and the resulting offspring with the desired markings and color were selected for breeding the next generation, again to purebred Dexter. This is the same process that is followed by other breeds and that was actually done with Dexter cattle in other countries (England, Australia, and New Zealand) using an Appendix registry until full pedigree status was obtained in the 4th generation of breeding to purebred, registered Dexter bulls and keeping only selected, inspected females for registration, first as Appendix A, then their female offspring for Appendix B, and then their female offspring for Appendix C, and then finally their female offspring eligible for full pedigree status in the main herdbooks. Since the United States and Canada do not have an Appendix registry or allow for upgrading Dexter cattle, these White Dexters are not eligible for registration in the ADCA, PDCA, or CDCA.
Ms. Adams makes the case that White Dexters were bred up EXACTLY the way ALL other graded Dexters have been which have in the past been approved by Dexter leadership in all countries. However, Ms. Adams makes a disticntion that the White Dexter is a "new" breed and would NOT be eligible for registration as a Dexter. WHY NOT? The upgrading program, by her own keyboard, is IDENTICAL to the process which resulted in a number of descendents in the US herd. The ONLY difference is the COLOR of the animal . . . and that precedent was set with dun! !
Let's just talk in terms of ADCA and the law.
*IF* , in the case of the "White" Dexters, the SAME grading-up program has been followed as Ms. Adams clearly states in the above copy, there is a pedigree record which can be validated as accurate. . .. whomever the registering authority might be. . . . . . then by what legal determination would ADCA ever possibly win a legal challenge to refuse it?
I suspect if there is a " White Dexter" owner out there who wants to register his Dexters and is willing to sue ADCA to do so. . . . . . we will soon have white Dexters as well. I don't see anything that could stop them based on legal precedents already established in the breed.
Interesting, huh?
Judy
