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Post by jamshundred on Oct 30, 2015 21:21:34 GMT
An example in cattle is the Angus breed. Those with more than a few decades of experience, to a person, lament the loss of the Angus of the first half of the 1900's. They happen to have an exceptional market that the invention of the tractor, and millions of acres of corn provided to ease their sorrow. Dexters will not have that to pick up the pieces of the devastating changes that are wiped out the traits we valued and which sold and preserved this breed. Here are changes I bet none of you have recognized took place at the behest of humans who "thought" they knew what was best. I do not know of any instance where that happened to be true. dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/ |
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Post by cascade on Oct 30, 2015 22:06:09 GMT
The ONLY way to keep Dexters (or any breed) from changing, is to make a list of "MUST-HAVE" traits and religiously select for those traits generation after generation after generation. Can you please provide us with a detail list of traits we should be selecting for? Most red polled dexter breeders are using this 1991-born pure "Traditional LEGACY" Dexter Cow (Wee Gaelic Ms. Fermoy) as one of their models for selecting red hornless Dexters.... In fact, she is on some red polled dexter pedigrees 20 times. I think she's great and I've got a good number that look just like her.  |
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Post by jamshundred on Oct 31, 2015 16:30:06 GMT
You don't have permission of the owner of that cow to post her photo. Post photos of your own cows. . . and if you have nothing that meets or excels the quality of this cow. . . . then those who have been breeding all those multiple generations off her must be doing something wrong. ( Drop the must. . . because my opinion is that they are definitely doing something wrong).
Judy
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Post by jamshundred on Oct 31, 2015 16:30:34 GMT
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Post by jamshundred on Oct 31, 2015 16:50:32 GMT
The above quote is from an internet Highland page. You will NOT see hornless cattle on their pages. You can tell they value the identity and value of their breed.
This is what they fight and fear! The real thing.
Purists world wide strive to protect and preserve their worthy breeds! You go PURISTS! ! Be as irrational as needed and be proud to wear the names you are called for it is a badge of honor bestowed by those who envy your effort. Save the Dexter!
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Post by jamshundred on Oct 31, 2015 16:56:43 GMT
Oh Golly, the humans really got into this breed changing frenzy! You gotta suspect the couch is covered in spittle.  |
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Post by cascade on Oct 31, 2015 19:54:16 GMT
You don't have permission of the owner of that cow to post her photo. Post photos of your own cows. . . . Judy Under fair use laws, you don't need permission to post a link to a photo for purposes of comment and education of the public. You can also post links to pedigree information, without permission, for purposes of discussion, but you can't copy it and load it into your own database for your own commercial purposes, without permission. Here's a photo of one of many of Ms. Fermoy's polled descendants that look a lot like her.  Red polled breeders are simply copying MS. Fermoy's Traditional "Legacy" phenotype. |
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Post by cascade on Oct 31, 2015 22:11:08 GMT
The above quote is from an internet Highland page. You will NOT see hornless cattle on their pages. You can tell they value the identity and value of their breed. This is what they fight and fear! The real thing. Purists world wide strive to protect and preserve their worthy breeds! You go PURISTS! ! Be as irrational as needed and be proud to wear the names you are called for it is a badge of honor bestowed by those who envy your effort. Save the Dexter! Highlands' key features are huge horns and a shaggy coat Those are MUST-HAVE features for the Highland breed. Dexters key features are compact, un-intimidating and multi purpose. Colors black red or dun (your choice).... Horns are optional and they intimidate many newbies... that's why most dexters are either polled or dehorned.... but for those who love horns, it's a reasonable option. Rational purists use rational purebreeding principles to follow the CURRENT breed description and follow the rules of a widely respected breed associations to maintain purity. For at least the past 50 years, breed descriptions have said that both horns and hornless are equal. I'm a rational purist and so are most Dexter breeders. Irrational purists claim horns are critical, while dehorning some of their own animals. Irrational purists say old holes on their own pedigrees are ok, but old holes on other people's pedigrees are bad. Irrational purists are hypocrites. If you want to breed a 100% horned breed, Dexter Cattle isn't that breed. You need to switch to Highlands or Longhorns if you want a breed defined by their must-have horns. |
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Post by jamshundred on Oct 31, 2015 22:50:00 GMT
Horns are not optional. The Dexter breed is a horned breed.
You cannot copyright a pedigree. Human or animal. If one could, then the Mormon church basements would have to be dredged of all the pedigree information collected for ancestor research, as would Ancestry. com and a gazillon of other sites and churches who have recorded pedigrees which have been copied. AND. . . . . have you not made note of who copied the first pedigrees onto an online website? Why, it was ADCA when Irish records were copied, and then English and then Canadian. It is always interesting to note the hypocrisy in the ADCA loyalists. EVERY one of your rights have been taken from you. . . and you are now governed by Oligarchy. Yet you never whimper. Are you one of those " all governments know what is best for me" type of citizens?
Judy
Proud purist by any perjorative!
PS. I just made the comment to pull out the hypocrisy you and your peers embrace. LOL!
PPS. It is interesting to note that none of Ms. Fermoy's preservation animals have that appearance. Are you sure of those pedigrees?
A little later. PPPS. You splash these humongous photos across the pages so I could not help but glance at Ms. Fermoy on the right and then the cow in your sign-on left of it. Considering you bragged that Saltaire Platinum is in your pedigrees 17 times, and therefore Ms. Fermoy has to be tracking right behind him. . . .. this animal, and several others you have shown, bear little resemblance to either. I thought the purpose of slaughtering dwarf Dexters was to make the non-dwarfs breed true. LOL. MY Dexter herd breeds true in type. Just shows that those who profess to know it all know little and the little is is just theory.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 16:02:48 GMT
good to here the Angus is not lost. I thought they were already gone. Its amazing what they call Angus today. Certified Angus beef what a joke that is. First it only has to be from a registered Angus bull. The cow can be anything. Second the registered bull is only a percentage himself.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Nov 2, 2015 17:52:50 GMT
Why is Kirk comparing a cow to a bull? Are they supposed to look the same?
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Post by lakeportfarms on Nov 2, 2015 18:00:06 GMT
How about this red bull?  |
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Post by otf on Nov 3, 2015 16:16:04 GMT
I might be nuts, but each time I look at this photo, I wonder if it isn't a photoshopped cow.
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Post by genebo on Nov 4, 2015 3:43:37 GMT
Exactly. It's a hoax.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Nov 4, 2015 17:59:47 GMT
The photo I posted is of a red Lowline Angus. Did anybody ever stop to wonder why the red polled Dexter was the goal of so much breeding in the Dexter breed? It's because the black polled "Dexter" so resembles what people typically believe an Angus to be. Red Lowline Angus are still relatively rare, mainly because the red hide gets knocked at the sale barn over a black hide. And since Lowline Angus breeders typically run their animals through the sale barn, it just never caught on in the same way. Red polled Dexter breeders don't typically run theirs through the sale barn. Purchasers wouldn't ordinarily make the comparison with the Lowline Angus breed, and to sweeten the pot, the red polled breeders are trading on the Dexter history and reputation.
We started with Angus and Lowline cows just a bit prior to purchasing our Dexter bull around 10 years ago. Frankly, as beginners to cattle, we could barely tell the difference between a black Lowline Angus and a black non-carrier Dexter, other than the Dexters we had seen were a bit TALLER! We had several calves out of our Dexter bull and the Lowline cow, before we sold her around 5 years ago. All were polled, even though we used a horned Dexter bull. By this time, more experienced with cattle, we had a hard time telling the difference between her calves and our Dexter to Dexter breedings, other than the horns.
I'm not going to comment at length over registration, pedigree, and genotyping other than to say that there was a reason that the ADCA felt it necessary to require genotyping and parent verification of females starting January, and it wasn't because there have been some mistakes made here and there where one horned bull was the sire over another horned bull. I believe it was because there were more than a few instances of crossbred animals being entered into a registry. Frankly those small breeders who have stuck with the horned Dexter are now going to have to pay additional money because there is no way that the integrity of the breed is anywhere near what it once was, now that polled have become not only accepted, but desired, by many Dexter owners.
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