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Post by jamshundred on Jan 16, 2016 0:50:40 GMT
The Legacy registration numbers are not sequenced. They are the DNA case numbers. and these case numbers are also entered in the information section. Legacy was the first registry on the No American continent to begin DNA testing, and has always been the professional and progressive registry and testing service with a strong commitment to the owners.
This afternoon an email was received from an ADCA member concerned to discover that Legacy publishes the case numbers, no doubt a victim of more of ADCA's behind the scenes covert attempt to marginalize Legacy, although one cannot discount the disappointing fact there are members of leadership as well as members without professional experience to know proper procedure, and then there are those with an agenda that have the ear of the inexperienced.
If, since the first requirement of DNA testing ADCA was governed by experienced, knowledgeable and professional leadership at least one of them would have enough actual professional experience to know that is is not only proper to provide these numbers with the registration information, it is a courtesy and a responsibility to members that are equired to parentage confirm for registration. In fact, not providing the case numbers is punitive to those they require to test and confirm.
ADCA would also be aware that not only the progressive and professional online registry site of Legacy considers the convenience as well as the responsibility to members of the breed, but so does those of Canada and Australia. I would expect that New Zealand provides this information as well though they do not have an online site. England is likely sure to follow unless the testing is handled and ordered through their registry where the information would be available.
There is no excuse for a registry that is influenced by agenda, or members/leadership without knowledge of practical procedures, to make testing and parentage confirmation as difficult for their members as ADCA currently does.
You can trust that Legacy has always been professional and works to make registration a simple and expedient process for you.
Judy
Legacy
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Post by jamshundred on Jan 16, 2016 0:54:59 GMT
Below is a portion of an online listing in the Canadian cattle records. I have highlighted the DNA case number in RED.
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Post by jamshundred on Jan 16, 2016 0:57:07 GMT
Below is a portion of the Australian registration #459008
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Post by genebo on Jan 16, 2016 1:49:53 GMT
The ADCA requires me to publish both the UC Davis case number and the Gus Cothran accession number on my ad for an AI Bull.
I routinely provide the case numbers of all DNA tests as well as a copy of the PDF file listing the results, to anyone who buys a Dexter or semen from me.
I am glad that the case numbers are listed on the LDCR on-line registry. I have asked that all of my DNA test results be displayed, also. That gives any prospective buyers a tool for making a buying choice.
The Legacy registration number sometimes coincides with the UC Davis case number, sometimes it does not. I have LEG numbers, LET numbers and NC numbers. The case number itself tells you nothing about the result of the test.
I will tell you the result of any DNA test I've ever had done on a Dexter. I have nothing to hide and I am right proud of the Dexters I own. I worked hard to get them to the state they are in today, and I WANT you to know it.
I'm suspicious of those who want to keep their results private.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jan 17, 2016 1:32:26 GMT
Yes Gene, I don't understand all the secrecy of any of the results, including DNA case numbers and even markers. I'm happy to share them.
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Post by jamshundred on May 20, 2016 16:23:04 GMT
It is done in ignorance of good professional practice. And of course there is the ADCA power and control issue of which all are aware. Even loyalists.
WHAT IF a breeder dies unexpectedly. ( The mess made with the Rainbow Hills herd is a haunting example).
In the past month I have spent hours and hours working with breeders when that time could have been cut much shorter if just case numbers werre available. ADCA requires their members to parent verify on bulls, and now it will be on calves. Yet, as usual, the leadership takes direction from those who apparently have no knowledge or experience to guide them
in professional issues.
Here is an example of how frustrating it can be for a person with years of experience. . . . . . . . . . . . . can you imagine the frustration of a person who has bought a bred cow and needs to test and register a calf?
Testing processed for two adult cows. Inquiry sent to both breeders to inquire if they have the genotype on the bull to seek case number for parentage confirmation. One breeder replied they did not test. The other breeder did not reply. Second email sent in second instance.
First cow. Inquiry then sent to previous owner of cow for genotype info. That owner responded they did not genotype. Looked through the progeny records and discovered bull calf with genotype and parentage confirmation. Wrote that owner and inquired as to whether they had gotten tail hairs on the bull and had him genotyped in order to register the bull calf.
THIS TAKES CONSIDERABLE TIME FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED AND IS SO UNPROFESSIONAL AS TO BE OBVIOUS TO AN INFANT. The third party did not respond. Went back to the owner and inquired of memory as to who might have inquired for tail hairs and genotyped the bull.
This has happened repeatedly. I currently need test case numbers on four seperate cases.
I DO hope that owners out there recognize the professionalism and experience of Legacy is providing case numbers which many who register with all the Dexter groups have used over time. They did not have to annoy breeders, or owners, or the registry to inquire for this information to do parentage confirmation on their calves.
Much of the problem of the leadership in the Dexter breed is based on folks who have no experience in the business and service industries making decisions that are anchored in ignorance and lack of experience connected to the need to control, or based on the advice of others who are ignorant and inexperienced and have an agenda and a need to control rather than to facilitate the best interests of the breed. I get really frustrated because the caretakers of this breed give such little consideration to the breed and especially to the needs of it's owners.
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Post by cascade on May 20, 2016 18:21:08 GMT
ADCA is 100% member driven. It's an organization with members, and a member elected board and officers. If we members don't like the directors, we can run for the office ourselves and we can put in whomever we please. If we members don't like the rules, we can suggest new rules. If we don't like the leadership, we can easily replace them via membership voting.
ADCA is as perfect as any member-driven organization can be, and that's why it's the largest and most popular Dexter Cattle registery on earth, and growing daily.
Minor Breeds like Dexters aren't big enough to support more than one registry per country... Upstarts always fail in the long run. ADCA has been around for 60 years and will continue to be around for the next 100 years because it's independent of any particular individuals. The other upstart registries in the US are too dependent on too few individuals and that will cause failure.
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Post by jamshundred on May 20, 2016 21:17:45 GMT
When you do not know what you are talking about it shows. Pathetically so. Get over it. ADCA does NOT serve ALL the needs or the interests of owners in this breed. If so, there would not be three registries now would there. Something must have been amiss. How about a leadership that concerns itself with power and control instead of serving the interests of the members?
You did not address the issue! Since you have not genotyped and do not AI, you are clueless.
How about this one since YOU think ADCA is so great?
I had two humans who were sold the same cow. This came to light when one of the owners was referred to Legacy searching for semen, shortly after the other owner contacted Legacy to register her calf. There were hours and hours and hours involved in trying to serve the interests of these two breeders. Let's start with tattoos. WHERE are the tattoos. Name me ONE professional registry that does not keep a record and publish the "ear-marks", permanent ID's of their registered cattle. NONE. Name one that does not. . . . . . ADCA. Some
"know-it-all" who helps make up the rules as they go along, ( probably the same one who had them take down the case numbers on AI bulls), arrived at the brilliant deduction that if the tattoos were published someone could go to a sale barn, put a purloined tattoo in the ear of the sale barn cow and pass it off. Good grief. I wonder why Australia and Canada and England have not been losing the same sleep ovrrrrer this scenario as ADCA leadership did? Some person or persons who have been counseling ADCA could not lead their way out of a wet paper bag. They do not know professional practices in cattle.
So, had the breeder/original owner contact ADCA to get the tattoo number. ( TATTOOS are required for registration!) ADCA could not produce the tattoo information to the original owner who submitted it. So, if the tattoo isn't important to ADCA, why is it a requirement? The tattoos used to be included in the herd book entries. . . but there are no herd books to reference.
There is simply a lack of professional knowledge and practice in one-third of the Dexter registries available to owners.
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