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Post by cascade on May 17, 2016 13:42:18 GMT
The 1900 breed description describes what horns should look like if they are present, but it didn't ban Dexters without horns.
Will the new "Legacy" club ban Dexters without horns?
Yes or No?
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Post by jamshundred on May 17, 2016 14:19:29 GMT
You are really fretting that Legacy breeders who have been chastised for years for NOT having an "official" organization. . .. . . have "officially" organized. You non-preservation breeders are just never satisfied. First, the protagonists said. . . ."If you don't like what the registry does. . . . start your own". ( Actually it was choices that would have benefited preservation efforts that ADCA would not do that was objectionable). At any rate, preservationists started their own registry. Protagonists now climbed over and got back on the other side of the fence.
I can only say, " Be careful what you pray for". So you have hammered and hammered that we were not organized with official membership, ( when ADCA was spiteful and punitive to those who were "members" of organized opposing groups), and now that we are organized, yo have climbed over the fence yet again. Goodness. Make up your minds. No don't. Because it has not mattered a whit in the past whether preservationists had your approval or cooperation and it does not matter now. All the obstructionist efforts past and present mean nothing. The purpose has not changed. The goal remains the same. Little by little the light at the end of the tunnel grows brighter. Preserving Dexters is winning, because those who have opposed the effort are real losers.
You have merely tried to stop what was better than you already had and failed. Tuff.
Judy
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Post by cascade on May 17, 2016 16:16:45 GMT
Real organizations need to be based on written rules. Will the new Legacy club ban hornless Dexters?.... Yes or No?
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Post by jamshundred on May 17, 2016 16:45:02 GMT
Why do you suppose you are due an answer? Dexter cattle are a genetically HORNED breed. The preservationists seek to preserve genetically horned Dexter cattle. Either you have the intelligence to read the lines or between the lines or you do not. Why do you seek to stir a row? We do not come to your pastures and play silly cow games. Why do you come to ours? Perhaps those in your pastures do not offer the courtesy and tolerance these pastures have always provided?
Judy
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Post by cascade on May 17, 2016 17:28:40 GMT
When I read the actual lines on your new website, I see you guys claiming that Dexter breeders should completely honor every word of the 1900 breed description with ZERO changes. But you aren't following the 1900 breed description yourselves. You are making your own changes to the 1900 breed discription by allowing hornless Dexters, and by allowing Dexters with long legs, and by allowing dun Dexters.
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Post by lakeportfarms on May 17, 2016 19:44:25 GMT
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Post by cascade on May 17, 2016 21:09:52 GMT
Show me a close picture of the animal's face, and I'll tell you if it's red or dun.... also, breed it on other red-looking dexters and tell me if you ever get any black calves.
We can make all sorts of justifications of why we don't exactly follow every word of the 1900 breed description... "They didn't understand dun back then"
I have a good justification for allowing hornless dexters.... The 1900 breed description never specifically disallowed hornless dexters. As a person who prefers using a gene to humanely dehorn dexters (instead of burning and cutting and gouging horns off), I feel I'm following the 1900 breed description as well as anyone who ever dehorns dexters. The 1900 description doesn't say "they must be born with horns, but you can cut them off".
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Post by lonecowhand on May 17, 2016 22:21:32 GMT
But it DID say: You cannot breed a Dexter to a cow (or bull) of another variety and still call it a Dexter. Outcrossing was prohibited in America. Removing horns does not change the genetics of progeny of the beast, so you still have Horned Dexters, not a cross breed.
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Post by cascade on May 18, 2016 6:35:25 GMT
Outcrossing is prohibited in America, but NOT prohibited in some other places. America does allow imports of Dexters with outcrossings in their backgrounds... For example, we allowed Parndon Bullfinch to be imported with his outcrossings, and he's on most all your "traditional" pedigrees.
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Post by jamshundred on May 22, 2016 18:13:43 GMT
There is NO record of outcrossing in Parndon Bullfinch.
You are correct that there is no upgrading permitted in America. Now give me a viable reason why 89% of ADCA registrations are from animals with documemted upgraded animals in tjeir pedigrees, isially more than one? In the case of SP there are FOUR and he was what is called a Grade animal in the US.
How do you suppose it was fair to American breeders to permit upgraded animals be imported and compete for sales.
The leadership od ADCA has always fallen short of leading. Neither the interests of the Dexter breed or it's owners have been a priority. They make unprofessional decisions time after time.
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