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Post by teatpuller11 on May 25, 2016 23:19:16 GMT
I think preserving old lines is a good thing, I just don't like how the fight goes. Can't it be done without personal attacks?
To me, that red cow cascade showed as a classic traditional Dexter doesn't even begin to look like a true Dexter, red color or not. If we are just going by pedigree, then it makes sense some people raise questions.
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Post by jamshundred on May 27, 2016 3:52:35 GMT
I think it a good thing to raise questions when there are reasons to question. Without questions there would be no quest for answers. It was a question raised by Chris Ricard, and not answered that roused my curiosity regarding the pedigree of Saltaire Platinum. However, when there is no evidence, just conjecture, I think a pedigree must be respected. That is not the case with SP. There must be a story behind the story there. . . . and it would be nice or it to come to light before all the principals who know the truth of the twists and turns in that pedigree are gone. Some already lost to us. . . others well up in decades.
I believe that until proven otherwise, ( and I think DNA advances so rapidly there will be much to learn in the future), the pedigrees must be respected. I would be against any changes in a pedigree without substantiation. Anecdotal stories from a drunk or a disgrunted niece or competing breeders are certainly not sufficient to change an established pedigree.
Judy
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Post by Donlin Stud on Jun 1, 2016 2:44:20 GMT
the Kerry which verged on extinction. Agree - yet to find a Kerry in Australia. They are nothing special or unique. nor can they ever compete with the highly commercialised breeds that are popular in Australia.
as owners flee to more profitable polled cattle as the fad IS dying down. It was dwarfism that saved the Dexter in the past and will save it in the future for without it. . you have a generic cow much like others that do have commercial viability not present in Dexters.
Yep and the proof is in the pudding there Judy.
As all know, we are one of a very few Dexter breeders in Australia that DO NOT remove horns and actively breed for the Dexter with dwarfism yet we never have any trouble finding new homes for our excess Dexters.
We are moving out 14 Dexters (four of which are bull calves / young bulls) to their new homes over the next three weeks.
And our asking price is higher than most because we are the only Stud in this country that DNA tests every single Dexter just DNA parent verified against both sire and dam, but DNA test when there is not an 'In Heritance' status for Beta C, Kappa C and Beta L - colour - BD1 - TYPR1. So we feel we have something unique, plus we are never in a hurry to rehome anyways so are happy to wait if need be - but we never have had to wait long at all.
Yet we constantly hear of breeders (many who bred non-shorts and /or Polled) complaining they cant get the asking price so more than not they are sending to sale yards or getting less than the 'meat price'.
Definitely something unique about horns and dwarfism I'd say................................ 
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Post by Donlin Stud on Jun 1, 2016 3:10:17 GMT
the APDCA (American Polled Dexter Cattle Association) They no longer fit the main breed characteristic.
Polled Herefords and the Herefords The two are physically different just as the Polled Dexter and the Dexter are physically different.
History of other breeds needs to stand as a warning to the 'modern' Dexter breeder.
www.theland.com.au/story/3371744/breeding-herefords-from-the-brink-of-extinction/
Without DNA parent verification of both parents - calling the sudden disappearance of horns in a historically horned breed a mutation just doesn't hold water with me.
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Post by lakeportfarms on Jun 1, 2016 14:27:49 GMT
Donna,
We have no problem selling our short Dexters either. I think in the past two years I've sold 4x as many short bull calves as long leg bull calves. People compare our short leg bull(s) to our long leg bulls and say "I'll take a short one". It ends up being their favorite Dexter over the heifers.
Lately I've had several polled breeders contacting me to see if I have polled short leg bulls or heifers/cows available for sale. As the long leg polled Dexter market has become saturated, they are looking for the next trend. I think dun, and short leg will be the new trend. However they are also now moving to homozygous polled. Those who have heterozygous polled will be left behind. The move toward homozygous polled is welcomed by me. It means that they are now starting to breed a very distinct phenotype, and this will lead to an even greater difference between the horned and the polled Dexter. I wish we horned breeders could get our act together and put even more distance between the two types and end all of the bickering once and for all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 15:04:01 GMT
I disagree with the Kerry comment. They are special and also deserve to have breeders looking out for them as well. Granted they are not as well known or as popular.
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